Print failures and crazy noise / sounds with new SV06 Plus

Hey Peter, looks/sounds like your motherboard is no good,it does happen from time to time… back in the early days of building 3d printers this was a pretty common problem and if you didn’t know what to look for it drove you insane trying to fix it… Cheap Power Supplies are a pretty big problem that cause erratic behavior with 3d printers(EMF/EMI)and are actually the cause a lot of the problems with print quality, (Z-banding/Layershift/Artifacts etc,)

Mechanical Problems such as bent shafts/ belts that are too lose or too tight and un-even beds etc, do cause problems but are pretty easy to recognize and fix-- if you are still having problems after that its your MotherBoard and/or Power Supply…

Hi Peter,

Are you still having problems ? I see a lot of suggestions further down the thread but I’m going to go back to your original post.

  1. Your video with the noise - the noise is not a fault, it’s because you are trying to print outside the printable area - this is the Y axis (bed movement) hitting the limit stop. I can clearly see a horizontal filament line laid down beyond the dotted line at the top - this is just outside of the 300x300 printable area - when the noise is happening it’s probably trying to go even further outside the printable area on the Y axis. The outermost dotted lines on the bed sheet line up with the maximum printable area.

What slicer software are you using ? Double check your printer definition has x/y limits of 300x300 and z limits of 340, and make sure the job you’re trying to print isn’t exceeding those dimensions.

  1. The print that breaks free of the raft - I can clearly see warping of the print above the raft which will cause the bond between the print job and raft to be too weak. A slight knock by the extruder is all it will take for it to detach.

If you’re using Cura, check the parameter “raft air gap”, the default is 0.3mm. You’ll probably need to enable settings visibility to see it.

This controls how closely the layer above the raft is printed. If this value is too small you will not be able to break the model away from the raft after printing - it will be too firmly attached, if it’s too high the bond will be too weak and it will break away too easily, as you see here. Try reducing this figure by up to 0.1mm or so from what it’s set to now. By adjusting this figure in 0.05mm increments you should be able to find a sweet spot where it doesn’t break during printing but snaps cleanly away afterwards.

Another thing that could cause this is printing at too low an extruder temperature. Even 5 or 10 degrees too low will cause a poor bond both between the bed and the model (if you don’t use a raft) or between the raft and the model, especially if you have fan speed set to 100%.

Double check the recommended temperature of the specific filament you’re using (check the label on the spool) and bump it up 5C and try again and then 10C higher to see if it helps, as the correct temperature varies a lot between filaments even among PLA.

I find plain white PLA prints OK at 195C but most of the coloured filaments I have won’t bond to the bed properly at 195C causing failed prints - about 205C seems to work nicely here, any higher and I get stringing instead. I have some dual coloured PLA filament whose spool says 215-235C and this indeed will not bond properly below 215C, so on this I print the first layer at 225C to get a really strong bond to the bed and remaining layers at 215C to minimise stringing. (you can set these temperatures separately in Cura)

Something I would suggest is you really don’t need to use rafts with a PEI bed and it can be counter productive as well as slow and wasteful of time and filament - if the bottom of the model has a decently large flat area and doesn’t have too many small “feet” simply set build plate adhesion to None and print directly to the bed. This should be fine for the rectangular piece you’re printing in your video even though it’s quite narrow, and it usually gives a smoother (albeit still textured) finish than printing on a raft.

I print 90% of my print jobs with no bed adhesion mode straight onto the bed, and occasionally use a brim if the area of the bottom is quite small compared to the height of the print. Apart from experimentation I have never felt a need to use a raft on this printer.

Tune your settings (bed temperature, extruder temperature, z-axis calibration) until it sticks to the bed well.

I have a test file I made for this to optimise bed adhesion for different filaments - it’s a small flat octagon 1mm thick that takes about 10 minutes to print:

Flat Octagon v1.stl (1.4 KB)

Print it at 0.2mm layer height, build plate adhesion none, at your proposed speed and temperatures and watch as the first layer goes down - if everything is correct the first layer will be flat and uniform. If you see bubbling up it’s likely either the extruder temperature is a bit low for the filament or the z-axis calibration has the extruder too high off the bed.

The final octagon disc should be very smooth and uniform on both sides with just a slight texture on the bottom side. If you bend it it should be quite tough and be able to bend to 90 degrees without breaking and without layers delaminating - which would cause a cracking sound from inside the piece. Delamination when bending would usually be caused by too low an extruder temperature. (Especially with PETG)

Z-axis calibration is super critical for good bed adhesion - it needs to be about +/- 0.1mm for optimal results. If you haven’t done it in a while, do the “Z axis” alignment first - the one where it bumps the stops at the top, then do the 16 point alignment second.

Finally, do the z-axis offset adjustment with a piece of paper so that it just lightly drags on the extruder tip. I recommend doing this with no filament in the extruder so it doesn’t ooze a point of filament on the tip. Be careful not to drive the extruder into the bed surface. Plus is up, Minus is down.

After doing the Z axis calibration re-print the Flat Octagon and check to see how well the first layer adheres to the bed.

Two final suggestions for poor adhesion - one, make sure the bed is clean. After enough handling to get prints off finger oil will build up on the bed - it’s completely invisible but prevents the print from bonding properly even when everything else is dialled in perfectly.

If you see warping at the edge of a large flat print it’s probably due to finger oils on the bed, and that has always been the case with me when I can’t get it to bond well to the bed. I clean it with about half a teaspoon of Isopropanol with a kitchen paper towel - it just takes a few seconds.

Clean it when the bed is cold and give it a few minutes to fully evaporate. I’ve had a job completely fail to bond properly, cleaned it like this, printed the job again with identical settings and had it stick firmly after cleaning.

Finally - I assume you’re heating the bed to 60C ? While PLA doesn’t require a heated bed (my other 3D printer doesn’t even have a bed heater, but it uses masking tape not PEI for the surface) a PEI bed relies on the heat to make the print job stick well.

While you CAN print PLA to a cold PEI bed I don’t recommend it, the adhesion will be relatively poor. Always heat the bed even for PLA - for PLA use 60C, for PETG use 80C.

60C is the glass transition temperature for PLA - when the bed is at 60C the first layer remains slightly tacky and sticky, bonding very strongly to the bed. As long as the bed remains hot it will remain firmly stuck.

After the print has finished and the bed cools down the bottom layer of the PLA will fully solidify and no longer be tacky, also the steel sheet on the PEI bed will shrink, this differential shrinkage breaks the bond between the bed and the print.

I find print jobs printed directly to the bed without a raft stick REALLY well at 60C - I’ve never had one detach that wasn’t due to either finger oil on the bed, a Z-axis calibration error or using the wrong extruder temperature for a given filament.

Once the bed cools the job literally falls off and can be picked off without even bending the sheet. (If you wait long enough anyway) I take the flexible sheet off and sit it on a cardboard box for a few minutes to let it cool down, then the print job comes off easily without much force.

Another reason to heat the bed even for PLA is it reduces/eliminates warping at the bottom of large flat surfaces.

Hope this helps.

Hey DBMandrake,

That’s what a thought at first until it did it again at the end of his video but this time it was in the middle of the Bed and near the front, so i just watched the video again and seen the Power Cable was still stuck inside the lower frame which was differently the cause of the motor stalling out there, so now i am guessing all his problems with the motor stalling out is just the TMC Drivers sensor kicking in when the resistance threshold is meet due to an obstacle
(1.power cable in the way)
(2 placing the object to be printed outside the boundary of the bed causing it to hit the X-Mount or it exceeded the assigned printing volume dimensions (ConFig Value)

I’m new to homing without Limit switches (and feels weird)so this has been a good thread to read-
Cheers mate

Hi Peter, I change my slicer software to prusaslicer since I use this my Printjobs looks much better than the cura sliced jobs and a workaround to inbound sovol sv06 plus printer to prusaslicer you can find here

https://www.printables.com/de/model/480897-mak-prusaslicer-preset-for-sovol-sv06-sv06-plus/comments/941581

Also since I use a small note paper to adjust the distance between bed and nozzle I have a much better adhesion to pei plate. Also prusaslicer creates a much better first layer

Top layer result via prusaslicer (no ironing)

First layer you will no see any lines

I’m so afraid since I work with this. I hope you will become the same results.

Greetings
Dennis
from nearFrankfurt

Hi community! Thanks a lot for all of your help and feedback.
I tried many things and i learned a lot during the last weeks!

I think my printer had several issues:

  1. The cable from the print bed was sometimes stuck in between the frame - this caused the crazy sound! There is a holder which bends the cable a little bit to the top - and this improves the situation a lot!

It seems like a few people have a problem with that as well - and there are some models on printable to fix this issue - like this one: https://www.printables.com/de/model/462159-sovol-sv06-plus-bed-cable-guide

  1. i also had a problem where the cable of the proximity sensor was loose - so the bed levelling always failed - so better check the cable connection (thanks to Sovol support who pointed that solution out)

  2. I still end up with really bad prints - and i think the min reason is still the wraped bed. As i mentioned the spacers under the bed have a different length - one of them is nearly 2 mm shorter than the others…
    If i print a test print over the whole bed - i end up with this result (i stopped the print after half of the print):


    I would stay that there is a clear problem with bed adheasion - and i found a video and a tool to visualize that:
    I Leveled My Printer's Warped Bed using a Mesh Visualizer | Sovol SV06 - YouTube
    I use Pronterface to create a mesh - and thats the initial result:

I will use some heat resistance tape to fix this wraping - thats the tape i ordered: https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07R8PJ23X?ref=ppx_pt2_dt_b_prod_image

Overall i must say that im regreting that i bought this printer. Instead of printing i end up trying to get my printer to work… I learn a lot - but i would not recommend to buy this printer or any printer from Sovol right now. The support from Sovol is very limited - and they only reply occasionaly and its not very helpful…

I will try a differnet slicer as well - thanks for the hint: Dennis !

If you have any better ideas - or have any thought about the wraped bed - let me know!

Thanks a lot agin to everyone trying to help!!

Peter

Hallo Peter,
die Ungenauigkeiten im Druckbett sollten beim SV06+ durch das Unfied Bed Leveling kompensiert werden. Vielleicht schaust Du Dir die Erklärung zu UBL mal an & gehst die beschriebenen Schritte durch & schaust nach, ob Deine Start-gcodes in Deinem Slicer auch dazu passen.

Gruß
Björn

Hi Peter,

A warped bed caused by one mounting spacer being a different length to the others will completely ruin any chance of good print quality and bed adhesion.

Don’t waste time on half fixes or workarounds - get that distortion of the bed surface fixed! I’m surprised you haven’t done this already as you’re just wasting your time attacking this problem from other angles. Your printer is defective as it stands now.

Find a straight edge like a steel ruler or spirit level and check the surface of the bed every which way. (without the steel PEI sheet fitted)

The maximum deflection from flat should be less than 0.5mm or so otherwise the 16 point bed levelling will not be able to compensate, that is only there to compensate for very small errors.

Contact Sovol and ask them to send a you a set of new spacers and/or a new bed. If it’s badly warped out of shape due to incorrect spacers (the underlying bed material is aluminium so would warp easily) it’s unacceptable and should be sorted out under warranty.

Your bed shown by the mesh visualiser is about 0.8mm low in the corners, here is mine for comparison:

I’m getting perfect first layer adhesion time after time. Here is an example of the bottom side of my Octogon test pieces where you can see the fine but uniform texture from the bed surface showing good adhesion:

Yesterday I was printing the following model directly to the bed with only a small brim - notice the tiny area in contact with the bed relative to the size and height of the model - it did not come free of the bed at all and was still firmly attached to the bed after nearly 24 hours of printing when I had a power cut at 90% completion…(Ahhhhhhh!!)

That would never print without breaking away unless I had really good bed adhesion of the first layer.

It sounds like you have fixed or figured out most of the problems you’ve had like the cable jamming the Y-axis - now you need to get the bed warping fixed and Sovol should really be helping you here as there seems to be an assembly or tolerance problem with your printer from the factory which will never allow it to print properly.

These printers are capable of great results - don’t give up yet. In your position I would be asking for them to replace the bed due to unsatisfactory warping especially given all the effort you’ve already spent trying to resolve these issues.

Hey DBMandrake!
Thansk a lot (again!!!) for your great help! Yeah - i totally agree with your conclusion and i was shocked when i found out about the different length of the spacers and the wraped bed.
I wrote the support again - but my hopes are very limited that they will help me with that isssue.

I’ll keep you updated - thanks for all your help and support,

Peter

Hi Björn, i don’t think its a problem of my Slicer - just tried to print the benchy which was on the SD-Card…
Failed again…


For me it makes sence that the bed is wraped… Lets see if Sovol will reply and if they are fixing the problem…

Thanks for your help!
Peter

Das sieht auf den Bildern nicht nach dem zuvor beschriebenen Problem mit einem krummen Druckbett aus, denn dann würde keine der unteren Schichten gelingen.
Bei dem abgebildeten Benchy war ab dem Ausdrucken der Brücken keine Haftung der aktuellen Druckschicht mehr vorhanden. Die Liste möglicher Ursachen dafür dürfte lang sein, u.a. Druckgeschwindigkeit, Temperaturen, Lüftung, Flow oder zuviel Feuchtigkeit im Filament. Vielleicht solltest Du mal den Einstellfahrplan mit Deinem SV06+ durchgehen.

Hi Björn,
thanks for your answer - im on holiday now for 2-3 weeks - but i’ll try your idea as soon as im back home!
I guess that there are several problems with my printer - just looking at the calibration print - i see a totally differnent bed adheasion at different parts of the bed (this might be caused due to the wraped bed?).


I will go through the “Einstellfahrplan” as soon as im back home!
Thanks a lot!
Peter

I’ve stayed out of this thread for awhile, mainly because I don’t use PronterFace & had nothing to add.

From the benchy pic…just like your 1st set of pics…if nothing is actually hitting the print…it’s a adhesion or bed temp issue.
Have your tried glue yet…https://amzn.to/3KgPLEH

As for your spacer issue. If some where shorter then others, then this was to try & level the bed.
If you removed them & put them back in a different order, then you won’t be level.
From your visualizer pic…the front corners are out…from your level print…the center is out.
There is a lot going on in this thread, at this point…I think you might have created more problems then you had…JMO
You can’t fix everything at once, you need to pick 1 issue…fix it…then move onto the other.
Sometimes, you get lucky & 1 problem fixes others…

Once you fixed the sock & the bent heatbreak…(I’m lost if the stepper issue is fixed or not).
I think when you get back, make sure the spacers are where they were before, clean the PEI sheet & home the bed.
Start over from the beginning and level the bed, level the Z & set the Z-Offset just like the 1st time you set it up & see where you are at…again, JMO

EDIT: Don’t use the Benhcy G-Code that Sovol has on the SD Card, slice it yourself…the temps are wrong…IMO :wink: