# Still Trying to Understand **URL:** \ **Category:** Sovol SV06 Plus\ **Created:** [August 29, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582 "2024-08-29T21:03:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/1 "2024-08-29T21:03:48Z")
![0](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/0/0fad448026716b2a626a983f3b38de1fa3658392.jpeg) Hi again. Today I made a print that had quite a few “bumps, zits and imperfections”. I am really trying to understand why these things happen, so I printed a temp tower to try and dial in temperatures, before worrying about retraction, or retract ion speeds. Attached is a photo of that tower. The filament was PLA Pro, the bottom 230 degrees in 5 degree increments up to the top at 200. The tower was generated from Cura 5,7,1 which is to automatically adjust temperatures which while watching the printer screen showed these temperature changes happening. So, what’s going on here? I see no appreciable improvements from 230 up to 200 degrees. The manufacturer says 210 to 230 as the recommended range. An ideas where to go to figure this out before tackling retraction. Thanks, Diego ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/2 "2024-08-29T23:48:30Z")
Could be wet filament. Are you keeping your filament in a resealable bag…?? Do you own a filament dryer…?? Also, are you running the stock Cura settings, have changed any settings…like retraction & speed…?? ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/3 "2024-08-30T12:25:13Z")
Hello Lion, Moisture should not be an issue. The filament was brand new, straight out of the box and its sealed plastic bag. I have retraction setting at 0.5, and retraction speed at 30.0 mm , Both as specified as the best settings in the paperwork that came with the printer. My next thought is to print a temp tower and manually lower the temp in 5 degree settings and keep going down to experiment and see if it makes any difference. Diego ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/4 "2024-08-30T14:19:42Z")
Filament can still be wet out of the bag. If you don’t have a dryer or can’t afford one…you can heat the bed to 60, lay the spool on it’s side & cover it with a box. Dry it for 8-12 hours. Also, try to print the tower again with the same gcode as before, but with a different filament. If it prints better, than you know the other filament has issues. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/c/ce2c1b9b20b9587d6fa800d3a7cb5399d525f5f7.jpeg "Amazingly Simple Free Filament Dryer -You already have one!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC3jvuq-uq8) ---
**Author:** ![mich0111](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/mich0111/32/1176_2.png) [@mich0111](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/mich0111)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/5 "2024-08-30T14:23:20Z")
Hi, Lion asked you if you used the original settings that came with cura 5.7 or if you modified them. If modified, what are they (print speed among others). These informations helps us to help you. ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/6 "2024-08-30T17:55:11Z")
I believe I have left them as original but to further check here’s what I currently have: Print speed 150 Initial layer print speed 60 Initial layer travel speed 80 I will be printing another temp tower this afternoon with filament that I am certain is dry. I’ll use the same settings as yesterday and we’ll see what happens. I will post the photo when complete. ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/7 "2024-08-30T18:29:54Z")
Unless your running Klipper & haven’t told us, you’ve changed some settings. ![Speed](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/9/970c61945cf0932aeeaefaab530e5e7f7e28f958.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/8 "2024-08-30T18:34:09Z")
Anything with a Blue Undo Arrow has been changed from default. ![change](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/6/67f4d8f0132d1c667459d4ab5e3a25939d6482b7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/9 "2024-08-30T20:49:55Z")
I’m certainly not going to insist that in all of my attempts to get prints working well i have not made any changes. IT IS POSSIBLE. Lion, this evening I’ll make sure the print settings you have provided are changed to what you’ve sent. I’ll also undo anything in blue back to a default setting. Tomorrow with these changes I’ll try another print and see how it goes. As I’ve said many times before. Thank you! Diego ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/10 "2024-08-30T21:08:33Z")
We’re just trying to get you on the right path. Once you are printing normal again, things can be changed. My Speed pic isn’t default, but it works. I’ve changed things & have my profiles, you just have to learn what the limits are…trail & error, a little at a time. ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/11 "2024-08-31T18:26:33Z")
![IMG20240831134807.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/1/190094f19e5f5169a259a0d4773cacbba3408159.jpeg) ![IMG20240831134903.jpg](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/2/20499c813494d37d37820a78e8779cf046641fbf.jpeg) Lion, Finally, I can see light at the end of this tunnel. Both temp towers (Red-PLA PLUS) and (Grey PLA) are improving. Red-PLA Plus best at 205 degrees, Grey PLA best at 195 degrees. For the first time on both, the “bridge” between the columns is fully formed. As you can see from the attached photos both have a fair amount of “heavy, thick extra filament” under those bridges. Am I correct in assuming this extra material now needs to be addressed with stringing solutions? I don’t want to move on until I know the temp situation is addressed and is correct. What do you recommend.I do next? Also a question based on the settings you provided me. You suggested, and I used a print speed of 80mm/s. When I looked at the “recommended” setting in Cura 5.7.1, it had Print speed at 150mm/s I had thought about setting everything to Cura recommendations, but did not! The difference between 80mm/s and 150mm/s seems very extreme and gave me pause. As always my most sincere thank you for the help and next set of recommendations. DIego. ---
**Author:** ![mich0111](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/mich0111/32/1176_2.png) [@mich0111](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/mich0111)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/12 "2024-08-31T19:11:44Z")
Hi, I use 150mm/s just for infill. Otherwise, for the inner and outer shell, 80 and the bridge no more 60 ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/13 "2024-08-31T19:30:55Z")
Ok, we’re starting to get somewhere. Lets check some other settings, change these & print the towers again. Experimental is split into pic 3 & 4. ![01](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/2/277cb86d22b8831885d1a37a6d55ee1696032256.jpeg) ![02](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/b/bfbb0520c3fb5b3b15ac097cdd1470c8ee99fff6.jpeg) ![03](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/3/398d36c2e058cb0829d8e693fc77686a1f69af61.jpeg) ![04](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/0/057ca88c60214f0ac5df332bd3c4bc4d9c3d205f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mich0111](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/mich0111/32/1176_2.png) [@mich0111](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/mich0111)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/14 "2024-08-31T19:37:49Z")
I definitely hate Cura, I prefer IdeaMaker, so much more intuitive. ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 8:44pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/15 "2024-08-31T20:44:36Z")
Lion, Attachment number 2 would not print, or open. Please resend. 1,3,4 all pened and printed. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Lion](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/lion/32/5586_2.png) [@Lion](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Lion)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 11:58pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/16 "2024-08-31T23:58:54Z")
It doesn’t open, that’s the size…right click open in new tab to see just the pic. ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/17 "2024-09-01T23:10:25Z")
I’ve been keeping the spools in the zip lock bags they come in along with desiccant. They are returned to the bags immediately after use. SInce starting this with you, I have now started drying in the cardboard boxes the spools come in, on top of the printer bed, at 60 degrees. I have the “problematic” red filament on the bed right now for use tomorrow.I’m not fond of the idea of leaving a cardboard box on a heated bed overnight, but if that’s what it’s going to take to know exactly where the problem is, I’ll do it! Retraction is set at 5. It is what Sovol recommended in their minimalist instructions and I’m planning on keeping it there based on what I can see from the retraction tower results. My biggest concern right now are the thicker threads on the inside of each retraction tower post, and the spotty bridges on the temp tower. If it’s moisture we’ll know from tomorrow’s towers when I print them. Now, I’m not certain at all how best to continue our discussions with your enormous help. Should I continue responding to emails such as this, OR should I respond with messages on the “Sovol Forum”. From what I gather, you’d prefer I post on the forum because it allows everyone to see and respond. Am I correct? i’ll let you know tomorrow’s results! ---
**Author:** ![mich0111](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/mich0111/32/1176_2.png) [@mich0111](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/mich0111)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 12:47pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/18 "2024-09-02T12:47:05Z")
Hi, I recommend posting on the forum rather than using direct messages. This way you will get faster and more replies. ---
**Author:** ![Diego](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f04885/32.png) [@Diego](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/Diego)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/19 "2024-09-02T12:59:19Z")
Lion suggested I post the photos of where this first started and the progress that has been made, almost entirely from Lion’s help by the way! It will be obvious which is the starting point, and the midway. I’ve already posted where things stand as of now. If you’ve been following, Lion has made some very valid suggested settings for Cura which have work extremely well. The last conclusion now is moisture in the filament and after a lot of time on YouTube last night it appears Lion may very well be correct. A brainstorm in the middle of the night occurred. I’ve taken the remote senor for my indoor/outdoor thermometer and placed it inside the box on the printer bed, 60C in which I’m trying to dry the filament. After all night, inside the box is 95F, with 70% humidity, despite keeping the filament inside the zip lock bag and box it was shipped in, moisture IS THERE! I had planned to print another tower today to further mark progress but instead will wait until humidity in the box drops as far as it will and remains stable there for a while. When I do print, I’ll share the photo and any progress. ![IMG20240829164854](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/a/ab6a5f0a120326804c1430c0d5c963fca41c0740.jpeg) ![IMG20240831134903 (2)](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/sovolforum/original/2X/b/b9db4f4905101172ea06252c9bf1097a1e69ef39.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![mich0111](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.sovol3d.com/mich0111/32/1176_2.png) [@mich0111](https://forum.sovol3d.com/u/mich0111)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582/20 "2024-09-02T13:07:44Z")
In addition to putting the filament in a zip bag, between 2 uses, remember to put a desiccant in it and create a vacuum. [Next page](https://forum.sovol3d.com/t/still-trying-to-understand/5582.md?page=2)